Google.cn Blocked By China's Government

Google Inc's recently launched China portal was inaccessible in the Chinese cities of Shanghai and Beijing on Friday, although the US-hosted Google.cn site could still be reached from outside China. Preliminary tests from Shanghai indicated that the service is inaccessible due to blocking by the government.

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  1. Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR.
    jjb123 posted by jjb123 (1) at 12:41 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  2. It'll be just too ironic if after all the bad press Google got for censoring, that it wasn't enough to keep them in China. I'm waiting for Googles response.
    durrty posted by durrty (6) at 12:52 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  3. Not enough kissing up! Maybe having someone thrown in jail ala yahoo would help.
    spaceman0 posted by spaceman0 (1) at 01:00 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  4. That's ironic and hilarious.
    aliensoldier posted by aliensoldier (0) at 01:29 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  5. So, all this recent controversy for nothing?!
    I feel ripped off.
    fishbert posted by fishbert (0) at 01:45 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  6. Even they couldn't stomach it.

    BTW was google.com accessible in China?
    caldroun posted by caldroun (0) at 01:46 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  7. I guess the searching was so effective it got them banned.

    Perhaps in time China will ban all search engines because after all, you cannot block all the "subversive" information on the internet, its a losing battle.
    The only search engine China will ever be able to use will be a approved list of links.
    CiXeL posted by CiXeL (0) at 01:50 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  8. /waits for China to block the entire Internet.
    sirnuke posted by sirnuke (0) at 01:51 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  9. @caldroun

    FTFA: "Google's main site, Google.com, could still be accessed in Shanghai."
    viperdaimao posted by viperdaimao (0) at 01:52 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  10. Its probably because it google.cn was so easily hacked. You could just misspell a search term and the "filter" would miss it entirely.
    Jadix posted by Jadix (0) at 01:53 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  11. Why do we allow ourselves to trade up massive deficits with countries like China and Saudi Arabia, and then two-face ourselves by refusing to import fine cigars from Cuba because of their "human rights" violations?
    Berkana posted by Berkana (1) at 01:53 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  12. "/waits for China to block the entire Internet."



    exactly. i dont get why china even bothers giving them any access at all
    sgtkillmore posted by sgtkillmore (0) at 01:57 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  13. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism"

    Thats Hating, and We're nice to China because their labor is cheap.
    Jmog123 posted by Jmog123 (0) at 01:59 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  14. I'm waiting for an incredibly pissed press release from google
    greattastic posted by greattastic (6) at 02:01 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  15. As they say, you give an inch and they take a mile. (Please no need to point out China is in metric system. I know.). Essentially Google caved in and now China wants more... alot more. Personally I think Google should have said, take it or leave it. Even though Chinese government would never admit it, China need Google more than Google needs China.
    mntpng posted by mntpng (0) at 02:07 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  16. Sorry for the double-post. I just wanted to add that I find it kind of creepy that Google has a *direct* connection to the CHINANET backbone (0 hops in between). But I don't know anything about the underlying internet structure, so take that with a grain of salt.
    aero posted by aero (0) at 02:09 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  17. kidhero: "...I MADE A SATIRE..."


    Really, I didn't know one could go around and just make those, especially with a third grade comprehension level.

    I guess you do learn something new everyday...well, did you?
    panoctopi posted by panoctopi (0) at 02:15 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  18. @viperdaimao

    While I didn't read this article, I know that while everyone has been compaining about google censoring...google.com has been available in china the whole time. So what is the big deal?
    caldroun posted by caldroun (0) at 02:20 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  19. Please may I remind all that China is not, and has not, been "communist" since 1976.
    seacow posted by seacow (0) at 02:21 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  20. Anyone listen to the last episode of TWiT? I was jaw dropped at how much they thought that this was okay. I was especially confused as to how the Woz thought it was okay for another country to censor their people and that we should respect that and not interfere. Shouldn't freedom of speech be given to everyone in the world? Why limit it to our (United States) or other countries? I remember hearing about all the rumors after the cold war and the veil of a controlled media lifted and how much the govt. of the former USSR controlled information and how 'in the dark' it's people were.

    As far as China doing this, I am not surprised at all but I am surprised at anyone who thinks this is a good thing or alright because they (the Chinese Govt.) has the right to do this to their people. This isn't Google but information filtering in general.

    My personal opinions aside, can someone tell me why censorship is good for anyone?
    clemonator posted by clemonator (0) at 02:21 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  21. LOL! I was reading in the paper yesterday about how much effort Google went to in order to create a search engine that was compatible with the Great Firewall of China, then it gets blocked! LOL!

    Do you think Google will be billing the Chinese government for the time they wasted making the filter?
    pHr34kY posted by pHr34kY (0) at 02:23 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  22. 1) China is not communism. It's a dictatorship disguised as a pseudo communistic-capitalist republic. Also, the US is one of the least democratic democracies. If you want true democracy, go to France or Germany where the people actualy vote for parties/executives, and have the power to change government.
    The closest thing to Marx's communism is Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Welfare_state).

    Finally, the US doesn't do anything about China because China = $$$$$x10^6. Big business needs China, and 99% of US politicians need Big Business to become elected. Get rid of lobbyists, and get up to vote for congressional elections, and you might see some change. Otherwise, we're SOL.
    lewie posted by lewie (0) at 02:29 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  23. Lol, Sweden is the closest thing to Marx's communism?-Go read the manifesto.
    seacow posted by seacow (0) at 02:37 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  24. Google got slapped in the face by The People's Republic of China (cool China, more commonly known as Taiwan or the Republic of China), big time. First they make them censor content and they take a ton of heat for that, then they block access to the google.cn all together? Google is smart enough to know that they should retaliate, and they definetly have more than enough intelligence to shut down the computers that China uses to censor.

    Does anyone know the proxy server situation in China still?
    conorryan posted by conorryan (0) at 02:42 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  25. You're right about that.

    I don't think anyone has a right to attack another country just because it doesn't like the other's form of government. China could just as easily hate democracy. Of course this doesn't take into account crimes against humanity, of which China is probably guilty. But as long as they own a good portion of our economy, we will be buddies with China.

    Google agreed to China's demands only because Google is a profit-seeking company. Welcome to capitalism.
    lewie posted by lewie (0) at 02:43 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  26. Thats a shame... Google really needs to pick up the pace or it wont live up to this...
    http://digg.com/technology/The_Future_of_Google
    DIGG IT!
    benabbey posted by benabbey (0) at 02:43 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  27. Bahahaha.
    prence posted by prence (0) at 02:54 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  28. @ MOGua
    You cant hide behind racism on this one, although 'retards' is not the right way of putting it but no matter how you look at it China deserves it's criticism. It has terrible human rights, each one of it's 1 billion odd people effectively has no freedom and the pollution it creates will be the highest in the world pretty soon.
    jimio posted by jimio (0) at 03:02 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  29. Too bad none of those 1.5 billion people realize that their rights are being taken away.
    Mist0r_Wiggles posted by Mist0r_Wiggles (0) at 03:06 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  30. Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR.

    We never really hated communism, that was just a scheme to rally support for A) the rich capitalists and B) the enemy that had the nukes pointed towards us.

    Plus, the US is economically reliant on China.
    mofomojo posted by mofomojo (0) at 03:11 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  31. @jjb123 - what happened to SPELL CHECK? Remember, like people used to do? Writing on the interweb is for big boys, please grow up.

    Seriously, we can't afford to stick it to commies anymore, it's not good for business. This whole "democracy" thing is not efficient and will blow over soon. One day, the communists will be forcing it down our throat saying it's more responsible for the poor, sick, and tired. Forget innovation and success, those are just old fairy-tales.

    When we could crush the communists, or at least stood a chance, sure you can say something. But when you are about to get left in the dust of the old western ways, you kinda don't matter. It's time to play ball and make them realize that while this is a communist society in China, capitalism will rule (not democracy).
    osbjmg posted by osbjmg (0) at 03:14 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  32. "What was the point of all that!!! It doesn't make breakfast at all! All it does is shoot you. Ohhhh!"

    Eric Wilson
    TKDWILSON posted by TKDWILSON (3) at 03:15 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  33. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR."

    plastic toys ;)
    domokunt posted by domokunt (0) at 03:16 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  34. Maybe China had a problem with google's flakey privacy policy.

    ( http://digg.com/security/Search_Companys_Reveal_What_They_Know_About_You_ )

    hahahaha. Then again maybe the Chinese aren't interested in searching for Janet Jackson's tit, which apparently people like to use google for :)
    jczer68 posted by jczer68 (0) at 03:21 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  35. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR."
    I bet they're saying the same thing about the US over in China. Just swap China with "the US", "communism" with "bougeoisie pigs", and "USSR" with Europe.

    "We are so fucking dependant on other countries for everything!! What ever happened to buying American? People wonder why the fucking US economy is in the tank. It is because we are sending all our money to those that hate us the most and support communism!!"

    Uhh more like "T-Bills." We had to pay off war debts with more bonds, and those were paid off with even more bonds, until we racked up a huge deficit. At least, that's my understanding of it.

    "1.5 billion and they cant even build a aircraft carrier. They had to buy shitty ones from orther countries, and then they still cant make it work. So yes 1.5 billion people and all of them are retards."

    Hey, the chinese can't help it if their government is retarded and fascist. Would you want some chinese guy saying something like "800 million people and they STILL can't find some old muslim in a cave. So yes 800 million people and all of them are retards."

    "My personal opinions aside, can someone tell me why censorship is good for anyone?"

    Ignorance is bliss? I don't know.
    lollerskates posted by lollerskates (0) at 03:23 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  36. sweet irony...
    godkar posted by godkar (0) at 03:25 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  37. "China need Google more than Google needs China."

    Umm, no. I find it hard to believe that in a country the size of China, there is no one that can write a search engine. Also, it wouldn't be too hard to steal ideas from Google since China's IP laws are much more lax than the rest of the world. Being locked out of a market the size of China is much more detrimental to Google than it would ever be to China.
    xocomil posted by xocomil (0) at 03:25 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  38. Don't bad mouth China, they will send over their 1 billion people army to rape you in your sleep.
    MikeCampo posted by MikeCampo (1) at 03:27 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  39. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR."

    Because they can bring down our economy if they wanted to. How much of our stuff is built there?
    JFetch posted by JFetch (0) at 03:28 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  40. @phytonix
    "Capitalists want you people to hate communism and brain washed you guys.
    And you don't even have a clue.
    However, most of the adults in China know they are not so free but they decided to live with it because what they can get is far more useful than some useless freedom. Just like you capitalists slaves would wow for capitalists in order to get a acceptable salary."

    Ahem, the fact that I can claim (based on your stupid rant) that you have your head up your ass twice means that I am FREE. And I stand by my retarded comment: 1 billion people who don't realise they can have the power to change things MUST be retarded. What other condition could their be.

    I have a friend who migrated to my country (not the US by the way) and she told me how many liberties she is enjoying now. For fucks sake she couldn't even listen to popular music, about the only tune she was allowed to be exposed to was their fucking anthem. That's sad. I have a lot of respect for her as she found freedom. She isn't a retard, but I have no respect for the rest.
    zetsurin posted by zetsurin (0) at 03:39 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  41. That's what they get for dealing w/ and trusting commies.

    Sell out your country, see what happens...
    v3xt0r posted by v3xt0r (1) at 03:41 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  42. I don't understand why people on Digg like to assess a country with its ability to build automobiles and aircraft carriers...(and if they can't, they are effectively all "retards"???)

    That's pretty ironic if you look at what Ford and GM are going through. (no offense, they deserve all the respect for the invention and glorification of the automobile; if it wasn't for them, there might be no Toyota, MB, Ferrari...etc)
    MOGua posted by MOGua (0) at 03:44 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  43. Cuba is a very easy situation to figure out. Cubans / Cuban Americans that live in Florida are VERY strong in their feelings towards Castro. They absolutely HATE Castro. So, even though open trade with Cuba makes sense for everyone, no one touches it. Why? Because whatever political party pushes through free trade with Castro will not get elected in Florida in the next election. Especially for Presidential campaigns, lose Florida and lose the election.
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  44. Does anyone still believe that communism still exists? and many ppl still believe in it? Someone here is just using the term to degrade other ppl :( Like we did to the Russian, huge mistake. Now we need to work with the Russian for intelligence info. We also sanctioned Pakistan and now they're our close ally. Things changed.

    "China need Google more than Google needs China". LOL.
    If you'd have said China needs Uncocal, it would have made some sense. China needs Google is just moronic.

    Do you know that Chinese search engine baidu.com is a lot better than Google for searches in Chinese? Do you know that Yahoo and MS has a head start already in China and Google is in a very sore position?
    chicksdigme posted by chicksdigme (0) at 03:50 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  45. Google.com is censored by the U.S. government too...because of the DMCA.

    This isn't a new idea.
    Psykus posted by Psykus (8) at 03:51 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  46. "My personal opinions aside, can someone tell me why censorship is good for anyone?"

    Ill try....not claiming that this is THE answer.

    Censorship is supposed to be a way to protect the ignorant masses from harming themselves and everyone else, in their ignorance.
    Unfortunately, It doesn't work..as the ones imposing the censorship are themselves ignorant...thus they try to use censorship in a desperate attempt to gain control.

    It's pretty ignorant to profile the masses, and codify their ignorance, blocking any chance of growth!

    But even in a country like the USA, where there is not such a blatant censorship, but more a market-driven censorship, we can see that the ignorant masses have wreaked havoc, such as what the fundamentalist christians are doing to destroy the constitution, and our own human rights and secular, free values.

    The problem is that there are IGNORANT masses, and equally ignorant governing bodies!

    If the governing ones at least respected everyone else, and tried to foster education, without controlling or manipulating it in their own ignorance, we might all be a lot better off.

    Perhaps the reason why the US is so afraid of Cuba-- is because of their reputedly excellent education system.

    After all, Iraq was known to have the best education system in the middle east, with university education guaranteed for everyone, even foreigners....paid for by the government....
    so naturally, the US had to go and try to destroy that.

    What the ignorant fear most is -- others with education, who might expose their ignorance.

    ( I hope this wasn't too off topic. I like these discussions in the comments area...it is the best thing about Digg....)
    Digg for Digg.com!

    WaterDragon posted by WaterDragon (0) at 03:51 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  47. People misunderstand our delicate situation with China. We are not enemies, but we aren't exactly buddies. Google wants to do business with China, but they are reluctant to let some American company control what their users of Google [Google.cn] see... The threat of spreading communism is over, that is no longer an issue. It ended with the cold war and was buried in the roaring 90s... The Chinese threaten US supremacy with their inexpensive and booming economy. The US, in comparison, have a rather pricier and stagnant economy. Google is no traitor; they're just playing ball in business. Microsoft does the same with the EU (with their Windows XP N editions, no WMP included). If the average joe understood that in order to make profits you had to comply by the rules of foreign governments (which would then in return make more money for american companies), we wouldn't have all these lame half-ass wannabe smartass comments by users who know as much about politics/trade as Elton John knows about being straight.

    What I'm trying to say is... there are many complicated issues that are unseen to the average person (who thinks not with his brain, but with his fists/mouth).
    mike_p posted by mike_p (2) at 04:00 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  48. China, especially in the larger cities lik Shanghai, is very similar to many other capitalist countries. Historically, the Chinese people as a whole have never demanded democracy and frankly, Most of my Chinese friends feel that democracy in a country that has many illiterate and uneducated people is not the best idea. There are many problems with Communism, but there are also many problems with US "Democracy". I am sure my human rights and physical well being will be threatened if I said some free speech at the wrong time, say, like Bill Maher, Lenny Bruce and others.

    The Chinese are not retarded. They have different priorities. Like taking care of their family, earning money, getting educated and traveling to various Asian countries. Many people in China don't really care about sacrificing some personal freedom so they can live in a stable manner. Just like how a lot of people in Democratic countries don't mind having a higher crime rate and disrespectful and under-educated youth so they can say "your head up your ass twice" with their freedom of speech...

    I am glad I live in Australia, where all this Sinophile and Anti-Communist Bullshit is seen for what it is, Bullshit. Companies are private entities and nearly in all cases, can do whatever the hell they want. Same goes for foreign governments. What is the big deal?
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  49. because of that dog on the main page
    kalphegor posted by kalphegor (0) at 04:07 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  50. "The closest thing to Marx's communism is Sweden"

    Yeah right, and the closest thing to "wild west cowboy" politics is USA....
    f00xx0riz3r posted by f00xx0riz3r (0) at 04:23 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  51. "Most of my Chinese friends feel that democracy in a country that has many illiterate and uneducated people is not the best idea."

    Exactly what I've been telling people. great comment.
    MOGua posted by MOGua (0) at 04:33 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  52. "There are many problems with Communism, but there are also many problems with US "Democracy""

    Nice one Ruins, but keep a few things in mind;

    First, Ill take my US "Democracy" over China's Communism any day.
    Second, If Australia thinks anti-communist talk is BS then why did Australia just build a new Air Force base at its northern tip? Maybe to protect itself from that communist BS?
    sapperlite posted by sapperlite (0) at 04:34 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  53. //"The closest thing to Marx's communism is Sweden"

    /Yeah right, and the closest thing to "wild west cowboy" politics is USA....

    So are you agreeing with me?

    If not, please provide a better example. I'm not a scholar of world governments, so I apologize for any inaccuracies. If you're going to flame, at least back it up.

    - A reasonable liberal
    lewie posted by lewie (0) at 04:37 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  54. Does anyone finally see the main difference between Taiwan (Republic of China) and China (People Republic of China)?
    One is democracy, the other is communism.
    How come no one can recognize it?
    Still saying they are the same China?
    You got freedom of speech in Taiwan,
    On the other hand, in China, think twice before you're going to say it.
    GamaFu posted by GamaFu (0) at 04:46 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  55. China is not simply a dictatorship, it is a totalitarian dictatorship.
    dbrodbeck posted by dbrodbeck (10) at 04:56 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  56. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR."

    Nixon
    daedpid1 posted by daedpid1 (0) at 05:01 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  57. How ironic. The BBC done a documentary about the net in China recently and it seems in a right mess!
    kimzor posted by kimzor (0) at 05:34 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  58. Hehe. I actually know one of the guys working on maintaining the firewalls there. They really have their work cut out for them. Poor saps ;)
    pacobell posted by pacobell (0) at 05:49 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  59. Is this an individual case (cannot access google.cn in Shanghai)?

    I CAN access google.cn without any problem. I'm in Guangzhou, a southern China city.
    ewrwq posted by ewrwq (0) at 05:55 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  60. wow.. china is a bitch
    mrassman posted by mrassman (1) at 05:57 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  61. "Does anyone finally see the main difference between Taiwan (Republic of China) and China (People Republic of China)?
    One is democracy, the other is communism.
    How come no one can recognize it?
    Still saying they are the same China?
    You got freedom of speech in Taiwan,
    On the other hand, in China, think twice before you're going to say it."

    The difference between Taiwan(Chinese Taipei) and China is not the free speech crap. Some individuals from Taiwan consider Taiwan to be richer than China. And doesnt wanna be associated as poor.

    Now I am gonna burst your bubble. Taiwan is not rich. It's definitely not as rich as Hong Kong. If ppl from Hong Kong have no problem identifying themselves as Chinese, I dont see why the Taiwanese wont do the same. Do you really think that by saying you're not Chinese, ppl will respect you more?

    Hell, ppl from Singapore have no problem recognizing themselves as Chinese (at least 75% of ppl from Singapore are Chinese descents), even though Signapore is an independent country and MUCH RICHER than Taiwan.

    Ppl from Taiwan and ppl from China are related by BLOOD. How about "for richer for poorer"? And how about blood is thicker than water?

    Denying the truth and pretending to be rich does not earn you respect. Growing a backbone does.
    chicksdigme posted by chicksdigme (0) at 06:13 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  62. I'm laughing at google
    multifaceted posted by multifaceted (0) at 06:15 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  63. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hating communism like with the USSR."

    It's because Ronnie is dead and the ones in charge these days would rather make a lot of money by global consumerism
    4answer2 posted by 4answer2 (0) at 06:22 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  64. I'm in China and the google site works fine. I'm in Pingdu, however. The internet is funny here. Sites like Hotmail will work one hour, but not the next. The whole internet system here is buggy. I'm not surprised that Google.cn would be out for a while. Maybe due to user traffic as opposed to gov't blocking?
    Incidentally, Digg works fine!
    neinisno posted by neinisno (0) at 06:33 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  65. "Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR."

    Because you couldn't keep living like you do without controlling their productive power.
    theone3 posted by theone3 (12) at 06:34 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  66. "If you want true democracy, go to France or Germany where the people actualy vote for parties/executives, and have the power to change government."

    Yes - Please - Go to France........ and have some fries for me
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  67. I understand that they make all of our stuff, we are a relatively new country though, we just have to adjust our trading system lie raising taxes on imports or making laws countrolling outsourcing, it would be a lot better for us in the long run.
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  68. "My personal opinions aside, can someone tell me why censorship is good for anyone?"

    I could, but I'm not allowed.
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  69. Some unitedstares are just full of shit...
    dvdcr posted by dvdcr (0) at 10:23 PM 2/03/06 score:
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  70. united staters*
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  71. to chicksdigme

    from what you wrote,
    you definitely are not Taiwanese,
    what you said "Some individuals from Taiwan consider Taiwan to be richer than China.
    And doesnt wanna be associated as poor."
    that's just not true,
    this is the first I've heard people said that,
    we grow up in Taiwan,
    we have our own government,
    we recognize us as Taiwanese,
    that's country's identification!
    but one day, suddenly, CHINA said Taiwan is part of them,
    and they will attack us if we don't accept that ridiculous thought!!
    How hilarious is that?
    they say we're Chinese, their people,
    On the other hand, they have lots of missiles target at Taiwan,
    It's just like you aim the gun at your brother,
    and said "if you don't do what I told you and don't think the way what I told you to, I will shoot you."
    Is that how you treat your people in China?

    Since you mention about people from Taiwan and Singapore are Chinese descents,
    let's talk about it.
    where are American, Canadian, and Australian come from?
    Of course Europe and England for Australian (except those Frist Natives),
    do they think themself as European? British? French? Spanish?
    NO for sure!
    Therefore, how could you say that is the way it should be?

    Also, talking about Hong Kong,
    don't you watch News?
    Don't you know lots of people in Hong Kong demonstrate for their right of election?
    Don't you know just before Hong Kong was going to return to China,
    a lot of people immigrate to other countries?
    why is that?
    if like what you said people from Hong Kong are so happy to be Chinese,
    why would they do that?
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  72. Why are we so nice to China, what happened to hateing comunism like with the USSR.

    It is called liberalism. Everyone is just fine in whatever they do. We cannot judge anyone. Well, unless they are religious, then we can silence them all.

    Then there are just the lazy bastards over here that actually think living in a free society it just too much work for them. And for some reason they think countries like China are just giving everything up for free and giving everyone a great life.
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  73. To GamaFu,

    Do you know anything about history? Do you know that when ppl from the same country fight vs each other is called a civil war? Like the Union and the Confederacy in the US?

    Are you denying that most ppl from Taiwan are not descendants from the mainland? Guess whom the Taiwanese were fighting for during the Sino Japanese War (during WW2).

    Hong Kong ppl demonstrate, but they never deny their identity. Do you know anyone from HK? I know tons here in the US. Do they think they're Chinese? Absolutely.

    Ppl emmigrate all the time, for a better life. Taiwan ppl emmigrate to the US, Canada, and others. So they dont want to be Taiwanese?

    What I really wanted to point out by the previous post was: some ppl in Taiwan act very different than other Chinese descents from Sg, Malay., Canada, US and other places. These ppl in Taiwan believe that by calling themselves Taiwanese they'd be recognized differently. But thats far from the truth. Just because you can say whatever you want, doesnt make you a diff ppl.
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  74. Perhaps the little workaround was too easy. Oh well, no more looking at websites about Falun Gong anymore. o_o
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  75. why don't US, UK, Japan.. ban china? at least they have a real motive since china is hacking whatever goverment PC they can....
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  76. unitedstatians posted by unitedstatians (0) at 03:28 PM 2/04/06 score:
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  77. Just think about this what is the difference between China (PRC)and Cuba?
    i don't Hate the PRC Central Government, Cuba or US corporations working in CN i hate the propaganda department Of any entity thats deprive free speech, person of life, liberty, property and happiness.

    An imagine this that tank in tiananmen square in the 1989 being sponsor like a nascar
    by US corporations against student-led demonstrations.

    http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/9684/violentimperialismmedium5tk.jpg

    Any country that is threaten by the Internet has a weak foundation.
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  78. yahoo, msn, google and cisco system are contributing to the "Great Firewall of China"
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  79. I love how governments like China prove my point to the world that mammalian man cannot govern himself.

    Dugg.
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  80. A lot of you guys spout things. Do you even know how the government in China works? Do you even know how the military power is split? How laws are passed?

    You hear the word communism and you automatically think it's an evil Dictatorship on the level of Stalin.

    I've been there, and i'm telling you. Most of the country borders on anarchy. Police only exist in concentrated pockets, in the hotspots. Their police response time is 2 seconds when something in these hotspots happen. But outside, it's totally anarchy. The highways, the roads, are practically unpatrolled.

    That's the situation. Don't spew nationalistic crap when you havent even visited the country.Work on information or you look like a goddman idiot.
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  81. Yes, why are we so nice to China?!? They torture, censure, kill, control the people, invade anyone's home for no reason...on a regular basis....yes, they're evil, EVIL!

    But alas, we're whores for their business. The corporate world looks at the numbers, multiplies them by 1 billion and they go all soft on ethics and freedom.
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  82. "I have a friend who migrated to my country (not the US by the way) and she told me how many liberties she is enjoying now. For fucks sake she couldn't even listen to popular music, about the only tune she was allowed to be exposed to was their fucking anthem. That's sad. I have a lot of respect for her as she found freedom. She isn't a retard, but I have no respect for the rest."

    Well, from what you said I can see she can be retarded. I know China very very well. I have many Chinese friends. They can listen to whatever music they want. They listen to...from Madonna to Bjork, from Tori Amos to Coldplay, from Beatles to Joy Division, from brit-pop to rap, from hip-hop to trip-hop.... So... she must be retarded to not be able to listen to pop music. They talk online "freely". There are places online they cannot talk about sensitive topics, but they can still talk about it in some other smaller websites which can not really caught the eye of censorships.

    And how miserable for those people here who think they live in a society with freedom of speech but they cannot even get a realistic image of China. Why? 'Cos you are not been told the truth!

    And yes, China has different priorities. See those small countries broken down from USSR? They broke down because they "gain freedom". But is that a successful model? NO! Apply western democracy mode to China will fail miserably. Chinese government is always wise 'cos they know what their country needs and they have priority for that.
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  83. Remember, for those people in China who can not afford a computer, maybe even not enough to eat, they are more interested in higher income so they can buy food, buy TV, buy fridge, buy nicer clothes, pay tuition for their children. That's the priority for China and Chinese people right now. Those other rights people have in the west, well, not so important for them, although it might seem SO important to you, because your life status is completely different from theirs!!!
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  84. Some Taiwanese here might just be too young. Maybe their fathers received education this way in their text book. (I was this from a Taiwan movie, a little bit old one):

    "We have to study hard, so we can save our brothers and sisters who suffers in mainland by striking back!"

    It is just Taiwan government changed their idea and educate their younger generation they are independent country now. Older Taiwanese did not receive such education but striking back to mainland. It is still a brain wash which seems to be "democracy"? From that point of view, Taiwan did think about war against mainland China before, although they consider people in mainland China brothers and sisters. So mainland China is still holding on that, they do not give up violence.
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  85. That's the situation. Don't spew nationalistic crap when you havent even visited the country.Work on information or you look like a goddman idiot.

    See, people like this are the problem. It does not matter if they are communist. We need to UNDERSTAND. We need to accept. We should not take pride in our country. What a load of crap. But this is the thinking that is taking over everywhere. We are loosing pride in ourselves due to people like this. It is sad. If you take pride in America an say anything bad about another country, you are all of a sudden an idiot.
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  86. there is no problem getting on to google.cn, just done it myself here in Shanghai
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  87. My god, what a lot of foolish opinions from the Americans, shouldn't we make speech free everywhere etc... I wish they would stop expecting the world to become like them, I for one would hate to live in an imperialistic, badly educated country where no personal privacy was protected, that discards its citizens when they cease to be productive, if the only thing I got out of it was unlimited web browsing, checked of course by their fascistic intelligence agencies
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  88. @ chicksdigme and GamaFu,

    "These ppl in Taiwan believe that by calling themselves Taiwanese they'd be recognized differently."

    I am from Taiwan and I don't call myself Taiwanese. I am Chinese. So are people from China/Hong Kong.

    龍的傳人 need to unite as one.
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  89. I'm in China, precisely, I am Chinese.
    I tell you all the truth: No one believes in communism in China now.
    The government doesn't believe in it, either. But communism is a great alibi to control Chinese ppl's mind.

    The Truth is: the CCP(China Communism Party) is NOT a communism party at all, but a Nazism and nationalism party.

    BTW: the check spelling here is cool!
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